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Title: Brokeback Mountain
Description: Feel the ignorance melt away


Melagomaniac - December 22, 2005 10:04 PM (GMT)
So I've been wanting to see this film for a long time, mostly because I follow Jake Gyllenhaal's films. But the more I read about it, the more I realized that this movie is about more than just Heath and Jake going at it in cowboy hats. My expectations got higher and higher.

Then the reviews started coming in, along with 8 Golden Globe noms, including Best Picture, and I thought, "This film is so much bigger than my little fangirlish needs."

I saw it last night, and I encourage everyone to see it, whether in the theater or on DVD or on cable. Read the short story, too. Be sure to bring your ignorant friends to see it, because this movie shows homosexuality in the way it should be seen: as love between two people. Hell, I might even be able to get my ignorant, bigoted father to see it, even when he said he "wouldn't be able to stomach it."

Here is a thread to discuss thoughts, reviews, opinions, etc. on Brokeback Mountain. Because it's too big not to talk about.

Rosie - December 24, 2005 11:06 AM (GMT)
I cant wait to see it!!!
First it was all about jake and heath, getting it onnnnnn [hott]
But after watching the trailer, i realised it was more. Like the love between two people, regardless of their gender and sexuality.

TangTrees - December 25, 2005 08:34 PM (GMT)
Heath has been one of my favorite actors since like forever haha. He is so talented. I've always liked Jake stuffs to.

At first I was excited, like Heath and Jake.. um WOW. But like you said Rosie, you watched the trailer, and read about the story, and you get the real meaning behind the movie, (not just two really hot guys making out all the time).

Definately on my list of movies to go see.

Knuxs - January 17, 2006 08:59 PM (GMT)
I saw this "review" on another message board and thought it was worth sharing... its poor grammer wise, but I think your find its worth struggling through it. :)


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When you spend an entire life socially isolated with love and desire that offers you dizzying heights and suicidal lows, you begin to understand the life of many anonymous gay men. When the very best you have to offer another human being must be kept secret to preserve your dignity and at times your life, the psychological pressure can be overwhelming. That's why I believe this film will be a deeply emotional experience for gay men in particular. I've read a number of comments on various forums about the film and they seem to be very positive or very negative with almost nothing in between. The hatred in the negative remarks underscores the deep ignorance that a few self described straight men have about gay men. The courage that it takes to live as a gay man in the Midwest as Ennis and Jack did completely escapes those who negatively speak about the film. They are offended by Ang Lee's portrayal of "masculine" gay men as if this is an impossibility. The deep irony is that many of these hateful comments come from men that could never handle the psychological pressure. I'm not saying that gay men are more able than straight men; not at all. In fact enough suicides happen every year among gay men for this very reason. My hope is that Brokeback will be seen by many men, in particular, and that they will be educated by this film to have greater empathy toward anyone that doesn't meet their standards for respect when it comes to sexual preference. This movie is an important film because it generates discussion and thought in an area once forbidden to even speak about. The needless pain and misery brought to so many lives was made brutally stark in this tale of love, deceit and sorrow. It's unfortunate that we are still a deeply insecure and fearful culture when it comes to same sex relationships. Life is short and whenever the opportunity for joy between yourself and another exists, you should take it with deep gratitude because it may never come again. I was deeply moved by this film and quite depressed as it mirrored my own life as a Forest Service Range Technician who once worked the rangelands of western Wyoming. I spent many days and nights in the wilderness with my coworker. After many months a deep friendship developed between us that went beyond simple friendship. I will cherish it for the rest of my days. I regret that we simply drifted apart after a short 2 years partly out of guilt and fear but more out of self preservation. A couple years later, I looked him up and had a painful short visit with him, his wife and daughter. I left his house with a lump in my throat and after many miles of driving I finally pulled off the road out in the middle of nowhere and lost it because I knew he wasn't happy, but I also knew he couldn't stand the pressure. That was almost 30 years ago now. The point is we were both expert outdoorsmen, firefighters; we both rode horses and dealt with livestock on a regular basis. We never would have fit into the big city gay culture. All of that had absolutely nothing to do with the simple love that existed between us. We existed, we were real and we were some of the best, well liked workers on staff. Don't let anybody tell you, like what I saw in one post, that Brokeback could never happen because cowboys can't be gay. I'm here to tell you, that's a bunch of crap. Anything is possible between human beings and it can transcend all characterizations. Brokeback Mountain was the first film on this subject that I could really relate to. Silly sitcoms, porn movies, or gay culture don't even come close to realistically defining the challenging life and emotion portrayed by Heath and Jake in this outstanding and unforgettable film that I never thought I'd live to see. Mr. Lee: you hit the bull's eye! Many thanks to you, the actors and the producers. My only regret in seeing the film, is that it felt like a dagger had been run through my heart.

Melagomaniac - January 17, 2006 09:27 PM (GMT)
Thanks for sharing that, Rich! I can understand that some straight men might not be confortable with male nudity, but uh.. there's not much. There's more female nudity than male. Yeesh.

Here's Golden Globe stuff:

Nominated
Best picture (Drama)
Best director
Best actor (drama) - Heath Ledger
Best supporting Actress (drama) - Michelle Williams
Best original screenplay
Best original song
Best original score

Won
Best picture (Drama)
Best director
Best original screenplay
Best original song


Next stop--the Oscars! (woW>

Hacky - January 17, 2006 10:53 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Melagomaniac @ Jan 17 2006, 10:27 PM)
Thanks for sharing that, Rich! I can understand that some straight men might not be confortable with male nudity, but uh.. there's not much. There's more female nudity than male. Yeesh.

Here's Golden Globe stuff:

Nominated
Best picture (Drama)
Best director
Best actor (drama) - Heath Ledger
Best supporting Actress (drama) - Michelle Williams
Best original screenplay
Best original song
Best original score

Won
Best picture (Drama)
Best director
Best original screenplay
Best original song


Next stop--the Oscars! (woW>

No I dont think that's what some people have a problem with. At least not for the majority.


Here;
QUOTE

They are offended by Ang Lee's portrayal of "masculine" gay men as if this is an impossibility. The deep irony is that many of these hateful comments come from men that could never handle the psychological pressure.


Two things, One. Most straight men like to have the cosy image of the gay man being the best friend of the girlfriend/wife being ott camp and no threat at all. Someone whom can be picked out as gay from a mile away. In truth and from my life most gay men tend to be like any other man, they like football, they like sex, they like just being a man.

When you take away that "difference" it creates fear, because gay men can be masculine. It's just a fact.

Two, being gay in a straight world is hard. It's a lot of pressure to live how you feel but at the same time be told that what you feel is sick or wrong. That hate, is coming from people who are living in a world that's benifits them more than they know. I think the point being made was that if those straight men had to have even half the life pressure gay men(and women) face, they'd be rushing to the nearest bridge.

Melagomaniac - January 17, 2006 11:05 PM (GMT)
Well, I know the nudity isn't what's scaring straight men away. I was saying that there's no reason to be turned off by the male nudity in the film, because there isn't much at all. I find it really hypocritical that we can look at nude women all the time, but when some part of a man is shown it's obscene! Gasp!

With the notion that gay men can't be "manly"... I think it's just men being uncomfortable with their masculinity, so they think a gay man can't be nearly as tough and rough as them, if that makes sense. They think a gay man might come onto them, and that would make them look gay, which they're afraid of...

Anyways, the film winning Best Picture at the Globes seems like a step. :YES:

Hacky - January 17, 2006 11:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Melagomaniac @ Jan 17 2006, 11:05 PM)
Well, I know the nudity isn't what's scaring straight men away. I was saying that there's no reason to be turned off by the male nudity in the film, because there isn't much at all. I find it really hypocritical that we can look at nude women all the time, but when some part of a man is shown it's obscene! Gasp!

With the notion that gay men can't be "manly"... I think it's just men being uncomfortable with their masculinity, so they think a gay man can't be nearly as tough and rough as them, if that makes sense. They think a gay man might come onto them, and that would make them look gay, which they're afraid of...

Anyways, the film winning Best Picture at the Globes seems like a step.  :YES:

Not wanting to sound too much like a feminist but men tend to have more power than women, so they can say what is "allowed" and what isnt. I never had a clue that slash was a real life thing that girls loved for example. But men have had women on women action for years and it's just "accepted" boy on boy for women is just "wrong" but they are the same issue; if your attracted to the other sex your gonna find two of the other sex more sexual than just one. (I suspect :lol: )

I agree with your power points. Men have huge egos. :hee:

I also dont think one film is any where near enough for change. How often do you watch a soap and see a gay person? Or how often do you see a gay person on TV who isnt camp? It's just all straight people and their lives. The Irony is that soaps are said to be a reflection of reality. :hee:


But if it makes one person change their bigoted attitudes that's good enough for me :)

Melagomaniac - January 17, 2006 11:38 PM (GMT)
Hey, it's making my parents actually listen to my arguments these days, so success!

You're right. One movie can't make that much of a change, but it's something. There seem to be 10 Will & Graces to one BBM, but it is better than nothing. I saw middle-aged married couples crying the theater, and I got the feeling that this is something big. Not huge, but it seems to be making its ripples. I'm excited for the Oscars. :nany:

onlyonekingDom - January 18, 2006 07:17 PM (GMT)
I finally saw it last night and one word comes to mind: WOW.


It's such a beautiful film and I especially enjoy how it feels so natural that these two men would fall in love. It definitely deserved a Best Picture win. :YES:

Faolan - January 19, 2006 04:05 PM (GMT)
Having met quite a few homophobs, I think the "problem" they have
with masculine gays is that they can't tell who they are. If a guy is very campy[like Carson on Queer Eye] they know they're gay, and can avoid them out of fear. It's the unknown that scares them. One day they'll learn, gay men are not out to "recrute"sp. them. [I've actually heard someone say that] Scary that they think that way.

Meriagrin Brandytook - January 20, 2006 07:51 AM (GMT)
I can't wait to see this film.

I've found a few rare people in my life, my husband for one, who is totally comfortable with who he is, and therefore accepts the people around him for who they are (except where music is concerned, then he's just a snob). I have a friend who is gay, he's also a schizophrenic, and I am totally comfortable spending time with him. A few years ago my hubby was at work at McDonalds, and went outside for a smoke break (it was the Friday night shift) and while outside he was propositioned twice, once by a woman and again by a man, Jim was very flattered. I read a lot of slash, which my hubby doesn't like, but he accepts that I do like it and is ok with it.

My dad isn't comfortable with the thought of homosexuality, but his general attitude is that of 'each to their own way of life'. Good job really considering that I fancy both men and women. (pity I've never had a girlfriend).

I agree with the comment that it's the unknown that scares many straight men, but it's about time they thought about it, and started to make changes. UK has just brought in civil partnerships for same sex couples. A step in the right direction, but it's not enough, they should allow full marriage for same sex couples and bring true equality a little closer.

maddy - January 25, 2006 08:37 AM (GMT)
In approximately 21.5 hour's, I will be in the cinema watching the opening scenes. It's that close people. Can you feel the excitement?!?!

Gah.

maddy - January 26, 2006 10:38 AM (GMT)
I watched it.

I didn't cry.

I enjoyed muchly.

I want to see it again.

If I could sum this movie up in one word: boobies*

*no not really. The word would more likely be "l♥ve".

[♥_♥]

Rosie - January 26, 2006 10:45 AM (GMT)
BOOBIES!

Oh man. What a brilliant movie it is!
I loved it to bits. Heath was just fantastic!
ANDDDDDD
How hott was it when they first kissed and had sex...?!?!

Ok, I think Im the only pervert here....*leaves*

Welsh Lass!!! - January 28, 2006 07:18 PM (GMT)
Me, Rich and vixta went to see it yesterday and i thought i was a good film. i thought the story was gd and it was more a tale of forbidden love for me. i mean its about a great love story - a lot like romeo and juliet with a twist. i thought the sex scene definately had its place in the film but i would have thought a kiss leading might prepared a lot of older people in the audience.

Anyways a 9 out of ten for me. thought the ending was a bit poo - wanted them to end up being together.

Am a sucker for happy endings.

Mrs. Took - February 5, 2006 01:57 PM (GMT)
As far as I know BBM hasn't been released here yet..but when it does I'll be one of the first to watch it...I can't wait to see it, heard so much about it!
If everything goes well I'll probably see it with about 5 people who are all dying to see the movie...^^ that'll be great fun!
I surely hope the movie will win the oscars, such a so-called controversial topic should get more positive attention!

meriadoc0412 - February 16, 2006 11:17 PM (GMT)
I watched BBM today and I really loved it.
And I almost cried!

For me there was too less romance though.. Kinda...

I really have to watch it again. Heath even topped Sawyer with his accent.

Oh, and Heath is one hottassss in that movie!

Melagomaniac - February 17, 2006 01:00 AM (GMT)
Pascy :hee: I tell people that it's more about relationships in general than the romance between Ennis and Jack. It makes more sense after you see it, right?

Heath needs the Oscar for that. :YES:

meriadoc0412 - February 17, 2006 07:13 AM (GMT)
Right Freckles, the story and the plot are great!
But still a bit more romance wouldn't have been bad... :wub:

Hestia - February 17, 2006 07:46 PM (GMT)
I saw it earlier this evening: gah :hyper:

We also went to see some nekkidness, but Jake and Heath impressed us in more ways than imagined. That's my opinion at least.

Fantastic film, fantastic scenery, fantastic tragedy. Poor Ennis. I had to swallow away the lump in my throat and my eyes went a bit wet at the end. No real tears though, I had foreseen a similar end since one of my friends had accidently read a spoiler, and she mentioned the end would be tragic.

*sighs*

I do hope this helps the gay cause. I also hope that this film will be schoolmaterial in ten years time. I mean, the sex-scenes weren't that shocking, no need to keep this film from children to teach them something about love.

meriadoc0412 - February 17, 2006 08:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Hestia @ Feb 17 2006, 08:46 PM)
I mean, the sex-scenes weren't that shocking, no need to keep this film from children to teach them something about love.

But their first time was so rough ... RRAAWWW :die:

Rip - spit - stick - done!

Hestia - February 17, 2006 08:41 PM (GMT)
Hehehe, I was a bit flustered at that point yeah. :wub:

But overall, I have seen more explicit sexscenes (and no, they weren't pornmovies :rolleyes: the standard Dutch movie has lots of tits and asses) and the sex in BBM was subordinate to the lovestory. I would have no problems showing this film to my children (if I had any) although I wouldn't sit with them when watching... Too humiliating for the kids, I already felt a bit humiliated in the cinema because there were some old people in the row in front of us.

meriadoc0412 - February 17, 2006 08:45 PM (GMT)
I wouldn't have any problems either to watch this film with my kids and husband! :YES:
I'm quite excited if it's gonna be a hit over here in Germany.
It will be in cinemas on Mar 9 ...
Deffo will watch it again then!!!

Hestia - February 17, 2006 09:01 PM (GMT)
I hope you have an original version too. Heath's mumbling is awesome, it would be awful to lose that because of German dubbing.

meriadoc0412 - February 17, 2006 09:05 PM (GMT)
Yes... I hardly understood him!!!! Will watch it again later I guess....

Welsh Lass!!! - February 17, 2006 10:48 PM (GMT)
I feel that this film is very appropriate to the day and age we live in. I can say that despite the series Queer as Folk and this film, I can't think of many films or tv shows that deal with the issue of homosexuality in this way. I applaud the directors and producers for creating a film that, despite being set back a few decades ago, brings it into the modern times and deals with in issue in a bery positive manner!

:clap:

Hestia - February 18, 2006 12:06 PM (GMT)
One thing about the film (story-wise, not theme-wise) that keeps me thinking is the flashback very near the end, after the Big Argument. Jack is suddenly moustache-less, and Ennis hugs him before leaving camp. When did this take place? When they were already having "casual" sex, or even before their first drunken
QUOTE
Rip - spit - stick - done!
night.

Aaaah, wtf with that flashback. It bothers me. It haunts me. I want to know!

Secretly I want it to have taken place before the first sex-scene, that Jack took that hug as a sign to go ahead.

onlyonekingDom - February 21, 2006 03:24 AM (GMT)

maddy - February 21, 2006 07:34 AM (GMT)
Haha! ^

I watched that one, and am currently watching other BBM parodies.

Hestia - February 25, 2006 07:10 PM (GMT)
I got the short story from the library last Thursday, and I've restraint myself from reading it too quickly. I'm saving the last half for Mondaymorning, when I have to travel home again.

I have to say that the film is really true to the story. :red:

Hacky - March 18, 2006 01:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (onlyonekingDom @ Feb 21 2006, 03:24 AM)
hmmm...

Brokeback Mount Doom

I never knew how erotic the "Are you his Bodyguard" sentence was :o

Also the ending "Its sticky what is it???" :dancy: :lol:


About BM music; super. :( :( :( so haunting and sad all at once. Super.


What did the Germans think of BM?

meriadoc0412 - March 18, 2006 03:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Hacky @ Mar 18 2006, 02:51 PM)
QUOTE (onlyonekingDom @ Feb 21 2006, 03:24 AM)
hmmm...

Brokeback Mount Doom

I never knew how erotic the "Are you his Bodyguard" sentence was :o

Also the ending "Its sticky what is it???" :dancy: :lol:


About BM music; super. :( :( :( so haunting and sad all at once. Super.


What did the Germans think of BM?

Well, it's been in German cinemas since March 9..
I watched it before in "not very legal ways" *:red:* and absolutely loved it...

But it was good to watch the German version aswell... Not that I think my English is bad, but Heath's mumbling freaked me out...

Of course you understand the story without any words but still I was glad when I could watch it in German 2 days ago...

It's such a fantastic movie, such a touching and tragic story and it's SO GREAT what Ang Lee made out of a 40 pages long short story!!!!

Not to forget the acting of Heath and Jake of course!!! *melts*

And yes, the music gets me every time .... *bawls*



Knuxs - April 21, 2006 03:29 PM (GMT)
Some kind person gave me this link... Its nice to share.


How BrokeBack Mountain should have really been shown :lol: OK it's a bit lovey soppy, and if your a romantic person you might want to give it a miss. :Wink1: Or not

meriadoc0412 - April 21, 2006 09:43 PM (GMT)
*KILLED BY RICH*

tom19891 - June 14, 2006 05:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Knuxs @ Apr 21 2006, 03:29 PM)
Some kind person gave me this link... Its nice to share.


How BrokeBack Mountain should have really been shown :lol: OK it's a bit lovey soppy, and if your a romantic person you might want to give it a miss. :Wink1: Or not

me loves it! :) it didnt make me cry... honest...

when ever i watch that film it just reminds me that even tho socioty favours hetrosexulism, things have come a long way in 50 years, there was such homophobia in that age, where as now there are homosecual marriages in many countries!

Strawbs - July 2, 2006 05:13 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Knuxs @ Apr 21 2006, 03:29 PM)
Some kind person gave me this link... Its nice to share.


How BrokeBack Mountain should have really been shown   :lol: OK it's a bit lovey soppy, and if your a romantic person you might want to give it a miss.  :Wink1: Or not

There's another version using pretty much the same clips here but a different song. http://www.youtube.com/watchv=4UP32J2NL_Y&search=boyzone


Strawbs

EDIT: Link doesn't bloomin work. Balls! :rolleyes:

Strawbs - July 8, 2006 12:15 PM (GMT)
Ok, now I've got the hang of this links malarky here's that Brokeback Mountain link from above, though hopefully working this time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UP32J2NL_Y&search=boyzone


Strawbs

leejay256 - July 26, 2006 04:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (tom19891 @ Jun 14 2006, 09:22 AM)
QUOTE (Knuxs @ Apr 21 2006, 03:29 PM)
Some kind person gave me this link... Its nice to share.


How BrokeBack Mountain should have really been shown   :lol: OK it's a bit lovey soppy, and if your a romantic person you might want to give it a miss.  :Wink1: Or not

me loves it! :) it didnt make me cry... honest...

when ever i watch that film it just reminds me that even tho socioty favours hetrosexulism, things have come a long way in 50 years, there was such homophobia in that age, where as now there are homosecual marriages in many countries!

sorry to say, that even though this movie was really really good. people that i know still think that this was a bad movie just b/c of the synposis, but i thought it was great




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