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Meriagrin Brandytook - July 19, 2005 09:59 AM (GMT)
Ok, I know I'm not the only one who has finished reading Half-Blood Prince, so, what did you think? did you enjoy it? What was the biggest shock for you? What was your favourite part? Tell us about it

I love this book, I think it is now my favourite of them all, (it's even better than Goblet Of Fire, which was my fave). I can't believe that Dumbledore is dead, I cried at that part, and at the funeral. What about Snape? I really did not see that coming. I don't really know what else to say right now, I only finished the book about ½hour ago, and my brain is still trying to take it all in.

DonkeyLass - July 19, 2005 07:14 PM (GMT)
I can't beleive it either. i was also very upset and very mad.. my sister kept on asking me what was the matter what was the matter. it was funny. but i can't beleive it, i was shocked. the book was amazing. but not my favorite.

fubar231 - July 19, 2005 08:14 PM (GMT)
I think the weirdest part for me was finding out Snape was the Half Blood Prince.

Meriagrin Brandytook - July 20, 2005 09:04 AM (GMT)
by about 2/3 through the book I did suspect that Snape was the 'Prince', but I wasn't really convinced until he said it. The question for me now is, are Ron and Hermione together yet?

Hestia - July 23, 2005 02:00 PM (GMT)
omg...

I wet four tissues with tears, does that say enough?

I suspected Snape to be the Half Blood Prince since Harry got the Potions book. It was either Snape or Lily, but since Slughorn mentioned Lily far too often, my first guess was with Snape. But that he was working for Voldemort all along was a bit of a shock. I kept thinking "Dumbledore and Snape are just fooling everyone, it's a set-up, Dumbledore is not dead" until Harry found Dumbledore's body.

Heavy stuff though and very well written. I really can't wait for book seven: Harry's leaving school to start his search after the Horcruxes }C/{

Knuxs - July 23, 2005 09:02 PM (GMT)
Ok… just finished, and I managed to do it without any spoilers! Which I’m very pleased about. :YES:

Not any real huge climax, like the other books… but at the same time it was also the biggest. Strange… :thinky:

So where to start, lol I feel like a need a pensive. I guess the least important thing for me is Snape… he isn’t evil! Yeah yeah the last person who thought that ended up being killed by him. But things don’t really add up. First off Dumbledore’s unwaiving faith and trust in Snape, for a man so clever and wise how could he chose someone so likely to betray him… there must be something that hasn’t been explored fully, maybe the unbreakable vow at the start of the book has something to do with it… Draco couldn’t kill him, so maybe Snape was forced to, maybe the vow works like the Imperius Curse, it forced him to. Yet Dumbledore’s fear of Snape at the end, confuses me. :thinky:

Although Dumbledore knew he would be dead by the time Harry faces Voldemort… Unless the note in the locket has nothing to do with Dumbledore… I automatically thought that it must be his message to the Dark lord…but it would make no sense to waste effort getting that “Horcrux” in the first place. So the question is who is R.A.B and who is more powerful than Dumbledore to get the real Horcrux in the first place. *more thinking* Could it be Snape? :thinky:


Maybe I’ll have more thoughts on that later :craze1: … above all I loved the last two pages. It would be easy for JK to write the final book from an almost complete Harry perspective, him travelling about the world, writing letters to Ron and Hermione… but that would also be very stupid IMO. After all Dumbledore’s mentions of keeping his friends and people that he loves close (especially those two!) in order to defeat Voldemort… it has to follow logically that both Ron and Hermione go with Harry in the last book…

Until The End They Are United.

I can’t wait.
:DARK: :DARK:

Knuxs - July 23, 2005 09:24 PM (GMT)
:o
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How about! Dumbledore is a Horcrux! Snape and Dumbledore had it planned all along! :o :o :o


Well it was a thought. :Wink1:

Knuxs - July 24, 2005 07:14 AM (GMT)
Morning and I've had time to think I'm not convinced he is totally dead, somehow I think he will advise Harry in the last book... I just dont think Harry can do it on his own. :(

Also I'm not totally convinced Harry and the others wont return to the school. In fact I'm 90% sure they will return for their 7th year at Hogwarts. :Wink1: At least to get another Horcrux....

Hestia - July 24, 2005 08:29 AM (GMT)
Yes, I think there's still a Horcrux at Hogwarts, maybe one of Tom Riddle's trophies is a Horcrux, so Harry should then return to Hogwarts to destroy it. I expect Ron and Hermione, and possibly Ginny and Neville and Luna too, will assist Harry in his quest.
Maybe the final fight will take place at Hogwarts too, because both Harry and Voldemort feel very attached to the place.

Dumbledore's portrait hangs in the Headmaster's Office now, so Harry could get advise through the portrait.

And about R.A.B: I think it's a member of the Black Family. I think the letters are initials, and if you puzzle around a bit, the name Regulus Black has two letters in common with R.A.B.

Meriagrin Brandytook - July 24, 2005 09:26 AM (GMT)
JK Rowling has said that if you go back and read the other books you'll find a Horcrux in one of them, and I think I've got it. It's in Order Of The Phoenix

Dumbledore IS dead, Snape IS a death eater, he fooled Dumbledore by being a better Occlumens than D realised, I get the impression that the only person Snape can't hide his thoughts from is Voldemort who is supposedly the worlds greatest Legilimens. Added to that is the fact that Dumbledore was too eager to believe the best of people.

The Horcrux that D and H attempted to retrieve was stolen years before, during Voldemorts original reign of terror.

Want to know what happened to it, who took it and where it was until recently? I think I know. I'll white it out for those who want to try and work it out for themselves - {
The Horcrux was stolen by R.A.B., I believe this was Sirius Black's brother, Regulus. In OotP, while cleaning out some cabinets, after de-doxying the curtains (chapter 6) they come across
QUOTE
a heavy locket that none of them could open
I believe this is the locket originally belonging to Salazar Slytherin, now V's missing horcrux.}

Tigerlily - July 24, 2005 10:03 PM (GMT)
I'm done crying. I had a feeling all along that it would be Dumbledore who was gonna die. He passed on his knowledge to Harry and now he's gone.

I cried over so many things. First Dumbledore died *me crying*
Then Bill was hurt *me crying some more*
Then Fleur wanted to marry him even if he looked mangled *me seriously bawling by that time*
and then I found out Tonks loves Lupin *me roaring again*
I'm okay now. *faint smile*

And the whole Snape thing. Noop, even I didn't see that coming. I never trusted him, but I always thought Dumbledore couldn't be that wrong about him.

What I do know is that Snape had to kill Dumbledore because Draco couldn't. Ron said it: if you brake the unbreakable vow you die. So Snape had to do it.

Harry has to have a bunch of people with him when he goes to look for the horcruxes. Simply because he's not smart enough to do it on his own. No offence.

Knuxs - July 24, 2005 11:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Meriagrin Brandytook @ Jul 24 2005, 10:26 AM)
JK Rowling has said that if you go back and read the other books you'll find a Horcrux in one of them, and I think I've got it.  It's in Order Of The Phoenix

Dumbledore IS dead, Snape IS a death eater, he fooled Dumbledore by being a better Occlumens than D realised, I get the impression that the only person Snape can't hide his thoughts from is Voldemort who is supposedly the worlds greatest Legilimens. Added to that is the fact that Dumbledore was too eager to believe the best of people.

The Horcrux that D and H attempted to retrieve was stolen years before, during Voldemorts original reign of terror.

Want to know what happened to it, who took it and where it was until recently?  I think I know.  I'll white it out for those who want to try and work it out for themselves - {
The Horcrux was stolen by R.A.B., I believe this was Sirius Black's brother, Regulus.  In OotP, while cleaning out some cabinets, after de-doxying the curtains (chapter 6) they come across
QUOTE
a heavy locket that none of them could open
I believe this is the locket originally belonging to Salazar Slytherin, now V's missing horcrux.}



I’m not convinced :thinky: . Things with Snape don’t add up, why not kill Flitwick, and the others of the order, Snape had a perfect chance to kill them both at his office, crippling Harry for Voldemort at a later date.

I do agree with Miranda about the unbreakable vow in part… but not sure, not completing the task in Snape case would have meant death…

As for R.A.B I did see the B and think “Black” but didn’t really go into it after I discounted Sirius. Still a ) weren’t all the Blacks other than Sirius death eaters or Voldemort supporters? b ) Dumbledore and Harry were quite clear that it would take TWO people to complete the task to get the Horcrux out of that pool of potion… so how can R.A.B be this powerful and not been heard of by anyone before? I suppose he may have acted alone and died from the potion later...it wasnt instant acting after all.... :craze1: to late for this thinking...


Finally Snape’s loyalty… Dumbledore had never been wrong before, and he did have a very good reason to trust him, which we have yet to find out. I’m still not convinced he is a true death eater…SORRY but there we are #haha#

How about... D and S are talking to each other with their minds. While D pleads not for his life to be spared, but for it to be taken. That way Malfoy doesn’t end up as a killer, and S can go back as a welcomed man, maybe getting higher up the ranks and learning more. Remember Hagrid head D and S fighting, if it was something bad then why did D still trust him? Perhaps its possible that D was telling S he would one day have to kill him and Snape didnt want to.

Its also clear than D knew his life was coming to an end, the last few books have been filled of him being an old frail man, and this book saw D telling Harry everything he knew. The final thing for me is that D was never scared of death, he said it so many times, so why be "fearful" of Snape, unless there was more going on than the supposed innocent "gaze" i.e.

QUOTE
Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion and hatred etched in the hard lines of his face.
‘Severus…please…’


into

Snape listened to Dumbledore for a moment as he told him what he had to do, Snape’s face contorted in revulsion and hatred as he thought about what this man, this friend was ordering him to do.
‘Severus… please…’


Well that's it. I dont think I will change my mind, and I dont think there is any more evidence, so until book 7 Snape still remains loyal to Dumbledore.

Although I'm still coming around to the R.A.B idea... the more I think about it the more I like it.

Tigerlily - July 25, 2005 06:48 AM (GMT)
yeah you could be right. I've thought about that theorie myself. However, I'm not sure if I like that. Snape bad, Snape good, Snape bad, Snape good. (oi, make up your mind already)
note this: When Harry followed Snape and tried to stop him he yelled coward. That made Snape very angry. He screamed. DON'T CALL ME A COWARD. Meaning: I just killed a man I didn't want to kill, and that took a whole lot of guts so don't call me a coward.

He also said not to kill Harry because he's for Voldemort. That adds up on one side. There's no doubt that Voldemort wants to kill Harry himself. But it could also be that Snape was protecting Harry

I don't know, I'm just brainstorming here.

Knuxs - July 25, 2005 11:01 AM (GMT)
Defo, the fact that Snape kills no one else is what sticks in my mind the most. :Wink1: he had the chance why not take it?

Still another site is saying that D is still alive :hee: as much as I'd like to think thats true, the way they put it and have a go at anyone who thinks he is dead is just stupid.

QUOTE
And the first topic is the suspicion that Dumbledore isn't really dead.

How, you may ask? I know, the man fell off a parapet, right? However, the spell that was used on him doesn't make one fly in the air - it kills on the spot. So the theory is that it was a setup to make people think he had died so he could work behind the scenes without trouble from Voldemort, the Death Eaters or the Ministry, for that matter. All people who either wanted him out of the way, or wanted to watch what he was doing (as we saw with Scrimgeour, the Minister of Magic.)

Which leads to the second question - what really happened, and was he really that wrong about Snape? Again, no. Snape being the one to do the spell was planned, which is why he was trying to find out what Malfoy was up to, and why he took off so fast to get from the dungeon to the top of the astronomy tower.

A central theme of the book for the 6th years was being able to mentally trigger spells without saying them. Snape was an expert in that. Who was to say he didn't set a non-verbal shield on Dumbledore before he did the Aveda spell? Or a combination of spells which sent Dumbledore over the edge? This way, Dumbledore can go into hiding and work far more effectively than he could have had he remained the headmaster. Already his research was taking him away the job, and it was best to pass it along when there was so much to be done.

For his part, Snape has fulfilled his vow to Narcissa, and regained the trust of the Death Eaters. He's also in the position to feed more information to Dumbledore, which can probably be passed along (via the portrait or some other means, if Dumbledore doesn't want the Order to know he's still alive. What they don't know can't betray them -- or him.)

At the funeral, Harry never sees the body, just Hagrid carrying something that is promptly covered in flames and incased in a tomb. The theory is that Hagrid really didn't know that it wasn't Dumbledore, or hysterical with relief that he couldn't tell anyone about.


Intresting but, no too many parts dont make sense, i.e there is no "shield spell", its was mentioned many times in other books, the one person to surrive the curse was Harry from his mothers death. His body was found on the floor dead, and at most funerals in the UK you dont normally see the body after a week of death.

It also doesnt run with D's life attitude, I very much doubt he would "hide" from the world, its also possible that D was guarding against V, i.e why V never killed D himself, as if he was scared to. Also since when has D not trusted people of the order. He knows that love and working as a team is the only way they can win.

Fawkes I dont believe would sing that song because of a request, their friendship was more than that.

Finally if D was NOT dead then the vow would not have been completed, which means that Snape needs his punishment.

So I'm still going with my theory about S and D having already pre arranged the death. Plus if D was alive after all this, it would be too much like "it was all a dream" I think JK gives her readers more credit than that.

Tigerlily - July 25, 2005 11:22 AM (GMT)
I have to agree with you a hundred percent. D is dead. Period.

I would like to say one more thing about Harry setting out al by himself to find those horcruxes. Why doesn't he try to find R.A.B first? and why on earth doesn't he say something about it to the order? They can help him. Nobody can be that stubborn and believe they can do it all by themself. I just think it's odd.
For all we know he's going to look for a bunch of horcruxes that have already been found by R.A.B. (except for Nagini, we all know she's still alive)

And about the talking portraits. Why doesn't Sirius have a portrait? I know it's random, but I just wondered about it.

Melagomaniac - July 25, 2005 05:23 PM (GMT)
I finished the book last night. I think a lot of eleven-year-olds are going to need therapy. HBP is pretty dark.

Poor Dumbledore.
Poor Hagrid.
Poor Harry.

:(

Meriagrin Brandytook - July 26, 2005 11:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Tigerlily @ Jul 25 2005, 12:22 PM)
I have to agree with you a hundred percent. D is dead. Period.

I would like to say one more thing about Harry setting out al by himself to find those horcruxes. Why doesn't he try to find R.A.B first?

That is probably what he will do, but if it is Regulus Black, he won't get very far, Regulus is dead, killed by Voldemort, apparantly for deserting the Death Eaters, but I'm thinking now that he was killed for stealing the Horcrux.

Tigerlily - July 26, 2005 12:55 PM (GMT)
Do you think they might try and find a way to communicate with Sirius about that?? I mean if it is a Black, Sirius might now more.

Meriagrin Brandytook - July 26, 2005 04:15 PM (GMT)
well, rumour has it that JK is going to bring back one of the previous characters and a lot of people are thinking it may be Sirius, because, although he passed through the curtain, into the 'spirit world' (or so we're led to believe) he took his body with him, so is it possible that he could come back?

earendil - August 2, 2005 04:58 PM (GMT)
Very ineresting what you all been writting!
I finnisht the book last night and I've been thinking about it all day!

Dumbeldore dead! I did not expect this! I believed it would have been Ginny or Ron or maybe even Hagrid..... But Dumbledore?!

I also still can not believe that Snap is bad, and I believe Rich could be right! Well, I hope so anyway......
I just don't believe D has been so wrong about him! :NO:

I was thinking, what if Harry is a horcruxes?

QUOTE
I finished the book last night. I think a lot of eleven-year-olds are going to need therapy. HBP is pretty dark.


I totally agree, this is not much of a childerensbook amynore.

I really hope she's bringing Sirius back! (bEg)

Tigerlily - August 2, 2005 07:22 PM (GMT)
I don't think Harry's a horcux. I mean, how could he be. Voldy was expecting to kill him so he had no need for Harry afterwards. He never saw the backfire coming. I could never have acted that quickly.

Also Harry has to get rid of all the horcruxes before he can kill Voldemort. So unless he's gonna find some miraculous way to kill himself, come back from the dead and finish off Voldy.

DonkeyLass - August 2, 2005 08:32 PM (GMT)
I thought it was very good... I admit the ending made mem really ticked off though... But it was still a very awsome book. I read it in like 2 days lol.
(woW>

Faolan - August 3, 2005 04:01 PM (GMT)
Wow, some really good thoughts on this. I think the idea about Sirius comeing
back is good. If he were dead, then he should have a portait[sp]. I can't make
up my mind about Snape though. I never did trust him, but I would like to
think that it was planed so that he could work behind the cover of being evil.
Can't wait for the next book. I hope it dosn't take so long for the next one
to come out.

DonkeyLass - August 3, 2005 06:08 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Faolan @ Aug 3 2005, 04:01 PM)
Wow, some really good thoughts on this. I think the idea about Sirius comeing
back is good. If he were dead, then he should have a portait[sp]. I can't make
up my mind about Snape though. I never did trust him, but I would like to
think that it was planed so that he could work behind the cover of being evil.
Can't wait for the next book. I hope it dosn't take so long for the next one
to come out.

yeah snape was always very... suspicious. *sp?

but i have a feeling he was forced, or theres more than what was in the book.

Doxy - August 4, 2005 08:57 AM (GMT)
I feel like crying. Weird, beautiful, awful but magnifisant book.
Do you think Dumbeldore will change into a talking portrat, like all the other formal hogwartsheads?
I feel so sorry for Harry, nobody can take care of him anymore.

Tigerlily - August 4, 2005 09:02 AM (GMT)
I think Dumbledore already has his portrait up in the headmasters office. At least I read it. But am not sure now. The last chapters are a bit blurry because of the shock of it all.

Faolan - August 4, 2005 01:52 PM (GMT)
Yes, he does have a portrait[sp]. Right after they found the body Prof. M took
them to the Head Masters office, and it said his picture was there. And that he was
asleep.

Tigerlily - August 4, 2005 03:53 PM (GMT)
So that must mean he's really dead.
If I were Harry first thing I'd do is go back to Hogwarts and talk to D about the whole situation.

I can't believe we have to wait for part 7 so long. I hope it won't take 2 years like last time.

edit: so I joined this myspace Harry Potter group. Just for the fun of it. And this dude posts a HUGE spoiler (about when D is gonna die and who's gonna do it) without a spoiler warning posed as a question about book 1. How seriously sad is your life if you get pleasure out of doing something like that.

Mrs. Took - August 6, 2005 12:16 PM (GMT)
I finished the book a few days after the release but I haven't posted my ideas about the book here before..so here are a few thoughts about the book..

1. I still think Snape is bad.

Why? Because Mugglenet had a huge interview with JK Rowling..and she kept saying that everyone who believes that Snape is eventually a good person...must keep that desperate hope....the word desperate is curious...she might be teasing us..but I think Snape is really a bad person..

2. R.A.B.

There are too many hints that this is Regulus Black....
1. Only Death Eaters call Voldemort 'The Dark Lord'...and the one writing the letter called Voldemort 'The Dark Lord'.....Regulus and Sirius's uncle's called something with an A (I forgot the name)..so that's the A in the middle....and the Medallion they found in the cupboard at Grimauld's place, which couldn't be opened...is probably the Medallion they're looking for....it's all too obvious..it almost can't be wrong..


3. The Horcruxes...

There are only 6 Horcruxes (according to Dumbledore)....Voldemort tried to make a seventh one, by killing Harry...but he failed that..leaving only 6 Horcruxes when he vanished...
1. Nagini
2. Huffelpuff's Cup
3. The locket
4. Something from Gyffindor or Ravenclaw
5. The ring
6. Diary

What do you guys think of these thoughts?

Meriagrin Brandytook - August 6, 2005 08:50 PM (GMT)
Firstly, Voldemort only wanted 6 Horcruxes, he wanted to split his soul into 7 parts, one part of which remained with him. The Ring and the Diary have been destroyed. I have a feeling that it will be a something from Ravenclaw (I think that Gryffindor has a major significance for Harry - my hubby and I have been discussing the possibility that Harry may be Godric Gryffindor's heir - check the thread I'm starting for my reasons and see if you can spot some more). The locket is most likely in the 'Black House', Nagini is most likely another Horcrux and Helga Hufflepuff's cup is the other.

I can't wait for the next book to see how much we're right about and just how much we got wrong.

Knuxs - August 7, 2005 10:16 AM (GMT)
I'll come back to the thoeries in a few days... I found this on another message board and thought it ws fun.


QUOTE
No-one has mentioned the significance of the release date. 16/7/2005 1+6=7 7=7 and 2+0+0+5=7 giving 777 the mark of heaven and severus is seven in latin.



How intresting.... :thinky:

Tigerlily - August 7, 2005 03:56 PM (GMT)
Wow, can't believe people actually investigate all that stuff. I don't think it means anything. At least I don't think it does. Was the ootp released on a saturday?? Cuz if it was it definitely means nothing. I mean: if saturday had been on say 17th or 18th of july the numbers would have added up completely different.


Mrs. Took - August 7, 2005 07:15 PM (GMT)
I know one other thing that has to do with the release date...


The wizard of the month has discovered the great magical power of the number 7. Next to that the number 7 keeps returning in the books:

7 books
7 schoolyears
7 Weasley children
7 bottles when they tried to reach the Philosopher's stone
7 Horcruxes (including Voldemort himself)

We're now living in the year 2005, and Rowling said in the interview that we had to wait about 2 years for the seventh book...a simple piece of math will tell us that: 2005 + 2 = 2007


The release date could possibly be 07-07-2007 a very magical date...which is on a Saturday!

I read this theory on a Dutch Harry Potter site, it's quite funny, and it COULD be true..but I doubt it, seen the fact that Rowling can't know precisely how long it's going to take to write the last book (she thought she would deliver the 4th book in 2 years..but that took her 4 years...).

meriadoc0412 - September 23, 2005 08:11 PM (GMT)
OK, finally, after 8 weeks I finished the book.
Well, what shall I say.
I didn't like it!
Compared to GOF or OOTP it was boring.
No tension in it, no such thing as "OMG I can't stop reading"... I'm quite disappointed.
Dumbledore's death was awful though.
I always thought that Snape indeed is a Death Eater.

Maybe if I read it again, I'll like it better.
But for now:

JKR, you can do better!


Forget everything I wrote above!!!! Me idiot!!
I read it again, and I loved it.
Maybe I wasn't in the right mood the first time...
Dunno what came to my mind

maddy - January 10, 2006 10:26 AM (GMT)
OMGOMGOMG I READ IT AND OMGOMGOMG! *cries* not really, but anyway..

well, talking about snape, I RECKON, because i am S-M-A-T, that when Dumbledore was 'pleading' to snape when he got to the tower, that they used that Occlumency thing and conversed with each other and Dumblydore said to Snape something along the lines of "please kill me". or something. like, because Dumbledore was in pain among other things, he wanted Snape to finish him off.

or you could go with the fact that Snape really is a lying "Bad word, I need to be spanked very hard" that should be *deleted because deemed too horrible for words*.

anyway, i thought the book was pretty good. there was SO much sex in it I just can't believe it! AH! young love.

meriadoc0412 - January 10, 2006 08:53 PM (GMT)
But if Snape had been lying that would mean that JKR made Dumbledore look a fool. THAT CANNOT BE TRUE!

I believe in miracles. So I guess somehow he'll come back.
Gandalf did too!!!! (bEg)




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