Title: Nationality
Knuxs - May 18, 2005 08:08 PM (GMT)
OK a hypothetic situation but easy enough to apply, I did have this with England and Australia as this is a real life thing, but why not apply it to something a bit more visual. (SNake>
Dom! Dom was born in Germany but always classes himself as a Brit because that’s his parents heritage, but it must mean that a) he had a visa as a baby because he was in Germany and not a legal citizen b ) he has dual nationality, which his parents do not (because they are both British) or c) this situation doesn’t occur because he was born on a British army base and all laws are exempt in such situtations.
Anyone who could be more specific would be very helpful. (Rolly)
Lastly what would happen assuming that he has b ) (i.e Dual Nationality) in place and Germany and Britain go to war again, who would he be obliged to fight for?
Kimberly_Monaghan - May 25, 2005 01:53 AM (GMT)
*scratches head* now thats a thinker
Tigerlily - May 25, 2005 06:55 AM (GMT)
Hmmmm, toughie. I'll ask around. Do you think people who have studied law will know it???
Personally I think he's British because he was born on the army bass. And both his parents ar Brits. I mean, apart from being born there he has no connection to Germany whatsoever.
maddy - May 25, 2005 12:31 PM (GMT)
He's a little Englishman born in the Deutschland!
#haha# seriously I don't know... :thinky:
Tigerlily - May 25, 2005 12:33 PM (GMT)
one of my co-workers who studied law thinks he's British, but he's not 100% sure.
Whahaahaaa, I can't believe I asked this question to one of the people I work with.
earendil - May 25, 2005 05:07 PM (GMT)
I'm pretty sure he's Brittish, because he was born on a army base.
But I also think that if you move to England at age 12 and your parents are Brittisch that you'll get the Britisch nationality...... I think..... #haha#
maddy - May 26, 2005 09:01 AM (GMT)
what if he's secretly Antarctican? :die:
Meriagrin Brandytook - May 26, 2005 09:07 AM (GMT)
British army bases, in whatever country, are classed as British territory (British soil, as it were) therefore, as Dom was born on a British army base in Berlin, he is still classed as British, not German.
Knuxs - May 26, 2005 09:34 AM (GMT)
You've explained that to me before havent you! #haha# :thinky: So he has NO links to Germany at all, except being born there.
OK assume that he was born in a normal German hospital (This whole question does have a practical use, in the sense that the person was born in England while his parents are from Oz and I'm trying to find out what Nationality he would be)
Tigerlily - May 26, 2005 09:44 AM (GMT)
well, this is what I'm thinking. For instance: I'm pregnant from my dutch husband. He gets a temporary job in very far away land. Say somewhere in Africa or China or whatever. I go to visit him and decide to stay for a while. Because of some weird unknown reason I don't make it back to Holland to give birth to my baby. So he is born in China. I don't think that would make my baby's nationality Chinese. Or would it??? That would be far to confusing.
Owww, maybe that does explain why you're not allowed to go on a plane when you're more than 7 months pregnant.
Hey, and how about babies who're born on a plane??? What nationality are they???
i_heart_Dom - May 26, 2005 01:30 PM (GMT)
theres an interview where he says he's from England, so i think his nationality is British. but what i dont understand is that he lived in Germany for 11 years! he spoke the language and so his parents probably did too. even if he wasnt technically German, he kind of was for 11 years. i usually cant put what im trying to say into words, so i dont know if you catch my drift. lol.
Kimberly_Monaghan - May 26, 2005 05:46 PM (GMT)
about the china thing, i dont think it would make your kid chinese, because, well, he has no chinese blood in him. like im born in texas, and i move to say, zimbobwe in africa. im sitll texan, just living in zimbobwe.
but its backwards for dom.
man i just confused my self even more :Huh?:
Knuxs - May 26, 2005 06:28 PM (GMT)
That’s an interesting angle, :thinky: China is totally different to England and Germany, so no one would think that the kid would have a Chinese heritage. BUT maybe we should apply that to England and Germany, or England and Australia, just because they are alike in language doesn’t mean that the kid will automatically receive that nationality just because they were born there. I’m gonna go with this logic, if its wrong please point it out:
1. You only get dual nationality if the linked countries are related in some way, such as language.
2. Your parents or guardians nationality is the main default.
3. If you’re on holiday or a temp visa then the child DOESN’T get the holiday’s country nationality.
4. If the kid is born while the parents are Legally Living in a country then they will have the nationality of the country you are born in. i.e. a lot of immigrants from countries like Africa/America during the 1960s who have had kids have classed them as British, and don’t have that many ties to their heritage to the country of their parents.
5. You CAN have dual nationality if your parents are both from different countries.
6. You can have dual nationality if your parents want you too, but only if they have been at residence of their birth country no longer than 10/20 years ago
kevviewhit - May 27, 2005 09:14 PM (GMT)
Knux,
If I can have my threepence ha'penny worth here, look Dom is British if born on a British army base. If his parents are both British, then he is British totally. There is no question of any German nationality.
In the case of a lad from Australia having Aussie parents but being born in say Norfolk, then that lad is British, but he can apply, and will get Australian nationality. My Mum is Irish and I applied for and got Irish nationality (dual nationality) even though I have lived in the Uk all my life, and my Dad is a Brit.
Cheers :thank1:
Kevvio
Knuxs - May 27, 2005 09:21 PM (GMT)
Yeah we established that already.
maddy - May 27, 2005 11:38 PM (GMT)
<lol> sorry!.......... #haha# (for the above post...)
Well, my mum is Australian and my dad was born in Holland but is a New Zealand citzen... and we live in Australia and he (i don't think so) hasn't applied to become an Australian citizen... (actually I don't know WHAT this has to do with Dom... or nationality... )
| QUOTE |
I was born overseas to an Australian parent. Am I an Australian citizen?
You are eligible for registration as an Australian citizen by descent if you were born overseas and:
* one of your parents was an Australian citizen at the time of your birth; * you are under 25 years of age; * you are of good character |
| QUOTE |
Can I apply for dual citizenship?
People do not apply for dual citizenship. You have dual or multiple citizenship when more than one country recognises you as its citizen. Every country has legislation to determine who its citizens are.
Australian citizens can become dual citizens in a number of ways. For example, by
* being granted citizenship of another country, and retaining their Australian citizenship. Example: Robert is an Australian citizen by birth working in the United Kingdom. He applied for and was granted UK citizenship in 2003, and was able to retain his Australian citizenship due to amendments to the Australian Citizenship Act 1948, which came into effect on 4 April 2002. * being recognised as a citizen by descent, by the country of birth of one of the parents. Example: Alicia was born in Australia to an Australian citizen mother and a British born father. Alicia is an Australian citizen by birth and recognised as a British citizen by descent by UK citizenship legislation. * being born overseas of an Australian citizen parent and also being recognised as a citizen by their overseas country of birth. Example: Jennifer was born in the US to an Australian citizen father and an American mother. Jennifer was registered by her father as an Australian citizen by descent. She is also a US citizen by birth. * being granted Australian citizenship and retaining the citizenship of the country of birth, when that country allows dual citizenship. Example: Jacques was born in Canada and migrated to Australia in the 1980s. When he became an Australian citizen, he retained his Canadian citizenship because Canada allows dual citizenship. Australia does not ask people to renounce their other citizenship. |
Thar! This is all about Australia and the such... but it gives examples... so I suppose you can put Germany instead of all the Australian parts... so you have: Germany and Britain!!
| QUOTE |
How do I obtain German citizenship?
- by birth to a German parent Laws regarding citizenship have been changed several times over the last decades. Whether or not a person has acquired German citizenship may therefore depend on the person's date of birth:
If you were born before January 1, 1975:
- If your parents were married at the time of your birth you acquired German citizenship if your father was German; you did not acquire German citizenship if only your mother was German (unless you would otherwise have been stateless). - If your parents were not married at the time of your birth you acquired German citizenship if your mother was German; you did not acquire German citizenship if only your father was German.
If you were born on or after January 1, 1975:
- If your parents were married at the time of your birth you acquired German citizenship if at least one parent was German. - If your parents were not married at the time of your birth you acquired German citizenship if your mother was German; you did not acquire German citizenship if only your father was German. However: a person born out of wedlock on or after July 1, 1993 can acquire German citizenship if only the father is German and if the father acknowledges paternity.
-by birth in Germany - If you were born after December 31, 1999 to foreign parents in Germany. - One of the parents must have been a legal resident in Germany for at least eight years at the time of your birth. - In addition, at least one parent must have an unlimited residence permit ("unbefristete Aufenthaltserlaubnis") or a residence entitlement ("Aufenthaltsberechtigung") at the time of your birth - If you obtain another citizenship by birth, you have to give up one citizenship between ages 18 and 23. |
Rosie - May 29, 2005 11:56 AM (GMT)
Im a citizen of PNG, Australia and England. (Rolly)
Just felt like saying that. <lol>